How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

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ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Are the seasons in Ireland different from those in Scotland, England, and Wales? Or are they just milder versions of each other?

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

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Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

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Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Have you ever met somebody so stupid that they made you question how they survived this long?

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

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We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

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Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

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To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

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— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

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ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

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ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

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Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

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I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

Now here in this verse

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I am like a fish out of water,

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

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Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

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ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

CONCLUSION:

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

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ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Kabir (a weaver)

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

NOW…

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Sain (a barber)

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

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Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

then who is there to know what happens without?

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

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The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.